Kathy Brennan is the Director of Evaluation for Living Cities in New York. Kathy has 15 years of experience managing and evaluating nonprofit and philanthropic efforts. She is currently co-authoring the book Advocacy Evaluation - the first book that specifically addresses this new area of focus for evaluation efforts. Join with Kathy and Liz Weaver as they talk about the innovative work of Living Cities, Advocacy Evaluation and Systems Change. There will be an opportunity to ask questions towards the end of the interview. This will be an inspiring and engaging tele-learning.